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		<title>By: Zille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham -- Thank you!  You&#039;re just right about the “Oh, my courtesan… I shall spank you now…” -- silly by virtue of being far less likely (historically or otherwise)!

I think one becomes an “SM freak” the minute you dress in black leather or latex (or another shiny material) and go to a dungeon.  Having handcuffs or a silk scarf in the bed-stand is not enough -- &quot;Everyone does that stuff, of course!&quot; -- but I think that kinky outfits definitely a freak doth make!  (Nevermind that guys love to see their supposedly vanilla women dressed up in those &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F21AHO?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B001F21AHO&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;silly santa lingerie sets&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B001F21AHO&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt; at Christmas, and stockings and teddies and thongs -- I know how you feel about the thong! -- and in other sexy outfits:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CBIZVC?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B001CBIZVC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;naughty nurse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B001CBIZVC&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5UDY6?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B000W5UDY6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cop&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B000W5UDY6&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;, Heidi in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W571DW?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B000W571DW&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dirndl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B000W571DW&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt; -- and what was it ...  oh yes, as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CBK5RE?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B001CBK5RE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;schoolgirl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B001CBK5RE&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;!)

So umm, hmmm, I guess one is only an &quot;SM freak&quot; if a &quot;normal&quot; tells you you are...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham &#8212; Thank you!  You&#8217;re just right about the “Oh, my courtesan… I shall spank you now…” &#8212; silly by virtue of being far less likely (historically or otherwise)!</p>
<p>I think one becomes an “SM freak” the minute you dress in black leather or latex (or another shiny material) and go to a dungeon.  Having handcuffs or a silk scarf in the bed-stand is not enough &#8212; &#8220;Everyone does that stuff, of course!&#8221; &#8212; but I think that kinky outfits definitely a freak doth make!  (Nevermind that guys love to see their supposedly vanilla women dressed up in those <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F21AHO?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B001F21AHO" rel="nofollow">silly santa lingerie sets</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B001F21AHO" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> at Christmas, and stockings and teddies and thongs &#8212; I know how you feel about the thong! &#8212; and in other sexy outfits:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CBIZVC?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B001CBIZVC" rel="nofollow">naughty nurse</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B001CBIZVC" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5UDY6?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B000W5UDY6" rel="nofollow">cop</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B000W5UDY6" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, Heidi in a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W571DW?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B000W571DW" rel="nofollow">dirndl</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B000W571DW" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> &#8212; and what was it &#8230;  oh yes, as a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CBK5RE?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B001CBK5RE" rel="nofollow">schoolgirl</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zeedeephotogr-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B001CBK5RE" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />!)</p>
<p>So umm, hmmm, I guess one is only an &#8220;SM freak&#8221; if a &#8220;normal&#8221; tells you you are&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I read this column and thought the exact same things, Zille! You (and Caroline) make excellent points. Like, on what basis does she decide that &quot;most women&quot; would find spanking sexier as courtesans? &quot;Oh, my courtesan... I shall spank you now...&quot; I dunno, to me that&#039;s a trifle sillier than a strict headmaster dealing with a schoolgirl : )

And the &quot;SM freak&quot; stuff is disheartening. At one point does one become an S&amp;M freak, anyway? Maybe she could helpfully provide a chart of Normal v. Not-Normal sexual fetishes. 

...but, there are good points too, so yay for those. And yay squared for Dan Savage, who rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I read this column and thought the exact same things, Zille! You (and Caroline) make excellent points. Like, on what basis does she decide that &#8220;most women&#8221; would find spanking sexier as courtesans? &#8220;Oh, my courtesan&#8230; I shall spank you now&#8230;&#8221; I dunno, to me that&#8217;s a trifle sillier than a strict headmaster dealing with a schoolgirl : )</p>
<p>And the &#8220;SM freak&#8221; stuff is disheartening. At one point does one become an S&amp;M freak, anyway? Maybe she could helpfully provide a chart of Normal v. Not-Normal sexual fetishes. </p>
<p>&#8230;but, there are good points too, so yay for those. And yay squared for Dan Savage, who rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Zille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline -- Um, can you just take over my blog, please? You make the most lucid, well-reasoned points!

(I&#039;ve always adored Dan Savage.  There was this one column where a kinky gay guy wrote in to ask if it was okay to want to piss in his boyfriend&#039;s ass, and Dan was like, &quot;Well, who doesn&#039;t?!&quot;  I can&#039;t find that one online, damnit!)

Paul -- I don&#039;t think you can ever really trust polls.  Attitudes are changing in the US and UK, but slowly.  (They aren&#039;t really changing in SF, as there isn&#039;t much change needed in a place that has the Folsom Street Fair!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline &#8212; Um, can you just take over my blog, please? You make the most lucid, well-reasoned points!</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve always adored Dan Savage.  There was this one column where a kinky gay guy wrote in to ask if it was okay to want to piss in his boyfriend&#8217;s ass, and Dan was like, &#8220;Well, who doesn&#8217;t?!&#8221;  I can&#8217;t find that one online, damnit!)</p>
<p>Paul &#8212; I don&#8217;t think you can ever really trust polls.  Attitudes are changing in the US and UK, but slowly.  (They aren&#8217;t really changing in SF, as there isn&#8217;t much change needed in a place that has the Folsom Street Fair!)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zille, a good post, it does seem hard that many see spanker&#039;s as whip wielding psycho&#039;s.
I do believe that the percentages are higher than quoted, though this may be wishful thinking.
Hopefully attitudes are changing, though much slower over here than in SF. :)
Love and warm hugs,
Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zille, a good post, it does seem hard that many see spanker&#8217;s as whip wielding psycho&#8217;s.<br />
I do believe that the percentages are higher than quoted, though this may be wishful thinking.<br />
Hopefully attitudes are changing, though much slower over here than in SF. <img src='http://www.zilledefeu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Love and warm hugs,<br />
Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: carolinegrey</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few things in the response I take issue with but I think it overall did a lot to normalize the desire and the fetish. I&#039;m still disappointed by:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think it would be harsh if you branded your boyfriend some kind of S&amp;M freak for even suggesting the notion. In my experience, it’s a harmless impulse and few spankers progress to whips and dungeons.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Why do these columnists always feel the need to excuse one kink at the expense of some other kind of kink? I wish she&#039;d said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think it would be harsh if you branded your boyfriend some kind of freak for even suggesting the notion. In my experience, it’s a harmless impulse. It&#039;s also important to note that degrees of fetish vary: if you are getting visions of whips and dungeons and that upsets you, don&#039;t worry. While spanking is included under the larger BDSM unbrella, one kink does not automatically lead to another. Many spankers are more than content to let it all begin and end with spanking.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think it&#039;s good that she validated that spanking can seem very silly--even to those who are into it. It&#039;s something that can be worked through and around, by tweaking the scenario, as she suggested, or by treating it in a light-hearted manner where fits of giggles are okay and can even be worked into the role-play. 

I agree that no one should have to do anything that makes them uncomfortable, but a little awkwardness and social conditioning shouldn&#039;t keep anyone from trying something new now and then, especially if it&#039;s important to their partner. I&#039;m a big fan of Dan Savage&#039;s &quot;Good, Giving, Game&quot; philosophy. In his own words: &quot;what we should all strive to be for our sex partners. Think &#039;good in bed,&#039; &#039;giving equal time and equal pleasure,&#039; and &#039;game for anything—within reason.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few things in the response I take issue with but I think it overall did a lot to normalize the desire and the fetish. I&#8217;m still disappointed by:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I think it would be harsh if you branded your boyfriend some kind of S&amp;M freak for even suggesting the notion. In my experience, it’s a harmless impulse and few spankers progress to whips and dungeons.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Why do these columnists always feel the need to excuse one kink at the expense of some other kind of kink? I wish she&#8217;d said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I think it would be harsh if you branded your boyfriend some kind of freak for even suggesting the notion. In my experience, it’s a harmless impulse. It&#8217;s also important to note that degrees of fetish vary: if you are getting visions of whips and dungeons and that upsets you, don&#8217;t worry. While spanking is included under the larger BDSM unbrella, one kink does not automatically lead to another. Many spankers are more than content to let it all begin and end with spanking.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s good that she validated that spanking can seem very silly&#8211;even to those who are into it. It&#8217;s something that can be worked through and around, by tweaking the scenario, as she suggested, or by treating it in a light-hearted manner where fits of giggles are okay and can even be worked into the role-play. </p>
<p>I agree that no one should have to do anything that makes them uncomfortable, but a little awkwardness and social conditioning shouldn&#8217;t keep anyone from trying something new now and then, especially if it&#8217;s important to their partner. I&#8217;m a big fan of Dan Savage&#8217;s &#8220;Good, Giving, Game&#8221; philosophy. In his own words: &#8220;what we should all strive to be for our sex partners. Think &#8216;good in bed,&#8217; &#8216;giving equal time and equal pleasure,&#8217; and &#8216;game for anything—within reason.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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