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		<title>By: Zille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, O Delicious One -- I know that the damage is stingin&#039; somethin&#039; fierce right now.  Keep on with the good fight -- we need people like you, so badly!  (And I &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; you, too, in a more personal way, but more about that at another time!)

jewel`, my friend -- I think you have it just right.  Give people info as they can handle it.  Forcing stuff in people&#039;s faces never makes them feel happy about anything.  They just can&#039;t force their stuff in our faces, either!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, O Delicious One &#8212; I know that the damage is stingin&#8217; somethin&#8217; fierce right now.  Keep on with the good fight &#8212; we need people like you, so badly!  (And I <i>need</i> you, too, in a more personal way, but more about that at another time!)</p>
<p>jewel`, my friend &#8212; I think you have it just right.  Give people info as they can handle it.  Forcing stuff in people&#8217;s faces never makes them feel happy about anything.  They just can&#8217;t force their stuff in our faces, either!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jewel`</title>
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		<dc:creator>jewel`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a fairly open and honest person when it comes to myself and my relationship with Master. 

That said, i am also careful on how i will explain the dynamic. As far as the kinky stuff goes, i have some close friends that know i am kinky. They don&#039;t know the full extent of how kinky or how the full extent of the Master/slave dynamic. i don&#039;t feel what He and i do in the privacy of our homes is anyone elses business. When someone does ask me why i will defer to Him or ask Him first if i will answer the same way i would in answering my children&#039;s questions about sex. Not meaning that i would treat the person as a child only that i would give them the information that i feel they could understand and accept. Such as, we have an old fashioned sort of relationship. Or i prefer to check with Him first in case He has made plans that sort of thing. 

i am of the opinion that no matter what a person&#039;s sexual orientation or pleasure is, as long as it is between consenting adults, it is no one&#039;s business but those directly involved. And that no matter what a person does in their private lives, they should not be discriminated against for it. 

my apologies for my grammar and spelling, it has been a long day

jewel`</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a fairly open and honest person when it comes to myself and my relationship with Master. </p>
<p>That said, i am also careful on how i will explain the dynamic. As far as the kinky stuff goes, i have some close friends that know i am kinky. They don&#8217;t know the full extent of how kinky or how the full extent of the Master/slave dynamic. i don&#8217;t feel what He and i do in the privacy of our homes is anyone elses business. When someone does ask me why i will defer to Him or ask Him first if i will answer the same way i would in answering my children&#8217;s questions about sex. Not meaning that i would treat the person as a child only that i would give them the information that i feel they could understand and accept. Such as, we have an old fashioned sort of relationship. Or i prefer to check with Him first in case He has made plans that sort of thing. </p>
<p>i am of the opinion that no matter what a person&#8217;s sexual orientation or pleasure is, as long as it is between consenting adults, it is no one&#8217;s business but those directly involved. And that no matter what a person does in their private lives, they should not be discriminated against for it. </p>
<p>my apologies for my grammar and spelling, it has been a long day</p>
<p>jewel`</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Maggie Mayhem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Maggie Mayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well clearly those of us that work hard at our jobs helping other people and have an alternative sex life should be actively harassed. 

I&#039;m as open as they come and I&#039;ve certainly had my fair share of damage for my efforts. I firmly believe that the world isn&#039;t safe for someone like me to come out until someone like me comes out and so that is what I do. But I wouldn&#039;t go back and hide if it salvaged a few relationships here and there because they wouldn&#039;t have lasted anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well clearly those of us that work hard at our jobs helping other people and have an alternative sex life should be actively harassed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m as open as they come and I&#8217;ve certainly had my fair share of damage for my efforts. I firmly believe that the world isn&#8217;t safe for someone like me to come out until someone like me comes out and so that is what I do. But I wouldn&#8217;t go back and hide if it salvaged a few relationships here and there because they wouldn&#8217;t have lasted anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Zille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted -- I&#039;m afraid I do actually have the pictures to prove it!  ;)

Lee -- I &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; noticed your name, which meant I liked you right away!

I imagine your Dom being a JW meant that he was attracted to discipline and order (and masochism) so that all makes sense!

My email is zilledefeu at gmail dot com -- thanks for reminding me, I&#039;ve been meaning to put up a contact form here, but keep forgetting! I&#039;ll go do that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted &#8212; I&#8217;m afraid I do actually have the pictures to prove it!  <img src='http://www.zilledefeu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lee &#8212; I <i>had</i> noticed your name, which meant I liked you right away!</p>
<p>I imagine your Dom being a JW meant that he was attracted to discipline and order (and masochism) so that all makes sense!</p>
<p>My email is zilledefeu at gmail dot com &#8212; thanks for reminding me, I&#8217;ve been meaning to put up a contact form here, but keep forgetting! I&#8217;ll go do that!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Holloway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a longer story than what I&#039;ll add here, but I met my Dom at work.  He was, at the time, a Jehovah&#039;s Witness (!!!) but I sensed something about him, and was I ever right!  When I saw Secretary, I blurted out that I had seen a movie that had made me think of him.  He asked why, and realizing that I had probably said too much, replied that there was a character who raised orchids, which is one of S&#039;s hobbies.  He saw the movie, and .... yada yada yada (in the full Seinfeld sense of the phrase) ... eventually things worked out!  

And this is how I chose my display name, after the main character in Secretary.

On another note, Zille, do you have an email address?  There&#039;s something that I&#039;d like to ask you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a longer story than what I&#8217;ll add here, but I met my Dom at work.  He was, at the time, a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness (!!!) but I sensed something about him, and was I ever right!  When I saw Secretary, I blurted out that I had seen a movie that had made me think of him.  He asked why, and realizing that I had probably said too much, replied that there was a character who raised orchids, which is one of S&#8217;s hobbies.  He saw the movie, and &#8230;. yada yada yada (in the full Seinfeld sense of the phrase) &#8230; eventually things worked out!  </p>
<p>And this is how I chose my display name, after the main character in Secretary.</p>
<p>On another note, Zille, do you have an email address?  There&#8217;s something that I&#8217;d like to ask you.</p>
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		<title>By: tedndi</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedndi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wha? That wasn&#039;t me. Honestly, I was the conservative one.. for once.......

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wha? That wasn&#8217;t me. Honestly, I was the conservative one.. for once&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: Zille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill -- I&#039;m sorry that you had to deal with that shunning in the workplace!  It&#039;s so stupid -- you&#039;re a nice guy, with wife and cute kid, a smart guy and good employee ... you&#039;re pretty much the all-round-good-guy, and it shouldn&#039;t matter if you like a bit of rope bondage or spanky-bot-bot! I hate that this happens, damnit! 

Karl -- Yes, there are a number of topics I either need to not discuss, or if I do, discuss with great integrity ... and patience!  ;)

There are so many people who have a pair of handcuffs by their bed, or a silk scarf that never gets worn &#039;round the neck, that sort of thing.  And yet they will be just as disparaging of an avowed kinkster as any repressed vanilla god-botherer!

But to demand that everyone talk about this stuff (when, I mean honestly, there&#039;s only a few people who&#039;s sex lives I&#039;m actually interested in!) is not polite nor even right.

We need simply a quiet acceptance of people&#039;s kinks, and a willingness to just move on and not worry about something if you just don&#039;t &quot;get it.&quot; 

Thanks for putting it over on the Forum -- I&#039;ll get right over there and join in the conversation!   :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8212; I&#8217;m sorry that you had to deal with that shunning in the workplace!  It&#8217;s so stupid &#8212; you&#8217;re a nice guy, with wife and cute kid, a smart guy and good employee &#8230; you&#8217;re pretty much the all-round-good-guy, and it shouldn&#8217;t matter if you like a bit of rope bondage or spanky-bot-bot! I hate that this happens, damnit! </p>
<p>Karl &#8212; Yes, there are a number of topics I either need to not discuss, or if I do, discuss with great integrity &#8230; and patience!  <img src='http://www.zilledefeu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are so many people who have a pair of handcuffs by their bed, or a silk scarf that never gets worn &#8217;round the neck, that sort of thing.  And yet they will be just as disparaging of an avowed kinkster as any repressed vanilla god-botherer!</p>
<p>But to demand that everyone talk about this stuff (when, I mean honestly, there&#8217;s only a few people who&#8217;s sex lives I&#8217;m actually interested in!) is not polite nor even right.</p>
<p>We need simply a quiet acceptance of people&#8217;s kinks, and a willingness to just move on and not worry about something if you just don&#8217;t &#8220;get it.&#8221; </p>
<p>Thanks for putting it over on the Forum &#8212; I&#8217;ll get right over there and join in the conversation!   <img src='http://www.zilledefeu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karl Friedrich Gauss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Friedrich Gauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating vignette Zille. I can imagine it would be hard for you to say anything about Secretary without revealing a whole other side of your personality.

I once made the mistake of taking someone I knew to that movie. I think he was permanently weirded out to learn that I was NOT weirded out by it. I think it has colored our friendship ever since.

And once I tried talking to my brother about this stuff. His reply: &quot;You mean, you&#039;re a sadist&quot;. 

Um, sort of. 

I didn&#039;t feel we were finding much common ground. But maybe I just need to be a little more bold and forthright. I have the feeling this stuff is just under the surface of so many people&#039;s awareness. Either that or they&#039;re into it, and just not talking -- like me. And like you.

BTW, I excerpted this post for the Scouts Forum: http://chross.blogt.ch/forum/read.php?2,1035,1969#msg-1969</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating vignette Zille. I can imagine it would be hard for you to say anything about Secretary without revealing a whole other side of your personality.</p>
<p>I once made the mistake of taking someone I knew to that movie. I think he was permanently weirded out to learn that I was NOT weirded out by it. I think it has colored our friendship ever since.</p>
<p>And once I tried talking to my brother about this stuff. His reply: &#8220;You mean, you&#8217;re a sadist&#8221;. </p>
<p>Um, sort of. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t feel we were finding much common ground. But maybe I just need to be a little more bold and forthright. I have the feeling this stuff is just under the surface of so many people&#8217;s awareness. Either that or they&#8217;re into it, and just not talking &#8212; like me. And like you.</p>
<p>BTW, I excerpted this post for the Scouts Forum: <a href="http://chross.blogt.ch/forum/read.php?2,1035,1969#msg-1969" rel="nofollow">http://chross.blogt.ch/forum/read.php?2,1035,1969#msg-1969</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... I once made the mistake of commenting about going to Bound in DC to some co-workers. The conversation was fine and I kept it clean.. but the shunning after wards was subtle and yet not at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I once made the mistake of commenting about going to Bound in DC to some co-workers. The conversation was fine and I kept it clean.. but the shunning after wards was subtle and yet not at the same time.</p>
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