Zille Defeu’s Fetish Fantasies

Ludwig says:

@Bill:

“I am also responding to several comments at a time based on what I feel is their motivation for attacking me and what the problem actually is at the root.”

Well, perhaps you should not do that. Because in my case at least, your guesses are totally off. You are wrong about my motivation and about where I am coming from. So, please, stop reading things into my comments which I did not write.

“As far as I’m concerned a spanking model who does think tears are too personal to show on camera really has no grasp of what customers actually want or the dedication to the genre needed to make a great video.”

Your position is based on two underlying assumptions, both of them wrong.

1.) You assume that all customers want to see tears. This is not true. Yes, there are many spanking video viewers who want to see tears. There are still plenty of others, though, who are focused on other things entirely. I, for instance, like “brave girl” / “heroine” scenarios a lot, I like models who have the courage to take a severe caning, and I like reactions that, while showing obvious struggle and suffering, are also somewhat restrained, proud, defiant.

People’s tastes differ. While there are patterns, I have never met two spanking movie buffs whose tastes were exactly alike. It is just silly to pass off your personal opinion as “what customers actually want”. You do not speak for all of them or even the majority of them.

2.) You assume that only a spanking model willing to cry on camera is truly dedicated to her work.

Again, not true at all. Let me tell you a few things about my girlfriend Kaelah (who is not a “spanking model” and is not doing this as a profession or making money, but occasionally makes video clips for the love of the art).

Kaelah puts a lot of thought into trying to come up with interesting and original scenario ideas. She writes out plot lines and dialogues. She puts together costumes for herself and others. She puts a lot of effort into the acting and getting into her character’s emotions. She assists behind the camera, getting the right angles and lighting. She takes hard thrashings on camera, really pushing her limits (way beyond what we usually do in private play). Then, she also takes part in post-production, editing the videos. She is a total perfectionist about all of this and works very hard to make as good a video as possible, in all aspects.

Still, there are some things she just does not want to do. One is crying on camera – Kaelah has cried in private play with me, but it is a very personal thing, an inimate thing, and she does not want to show it for all the world to see. She prefers “brave girl” scenarios in videos. She also does not do any full frontal nudity. These are two things which she would rather “keep for herself”.

Does that mean that she is not really dedicated to making good spanking videos? Does it make worthless all of the other things I just mentioned, which she brings to these videos? Does it invalidate all the other work? No, it does not.

“Can you imagine Meryl Streep telling everyone that tears are off limits for her because it’s too personal? What kind of passionate actress would EVER think that way???”

Movie actors have limits also. Look at Robert de Niro, one of the greatest actors (perhaps the greatest) of his generation. There are numerous roles he turned down because he did not feel comfortable with them. Like “The Last Temptation of Christ” because he did not want to play Jesus Christ, or “At Close Range” because he thought the character (a gang leader, murderer and rapist) was too dark. Does that make de Niro an undedicated actor? No, of course not.

Everyone (spanking models, movie actors, everyone) has their limits, and everyone has a right to their limits. There are many great things that you can contribute even so.

You, Bill, seem to have this opinion that if people choose a certain line of work, they have to be willing to do everything that anyone ever did in this line of work, or else, they aren’t really dedicated. I hear a lot of talk from you about dedication, “making the magic happen” and so on. I would be really curious to get you in front of a camera (as a bottom, not as a top) and see how super-dedicated and willing to go for the magic you would be.

My guess is that you would have limits, too, like everyone else. And you have every right to.

“I guarantee you that if this thread went viral among the average spanking video consumers the majority of posts would be requesting spankings with real tears and legitimate reactions whatever it takes with whatever spankee they can find [...]”

I have seen many threads like this one on many spanking video forums, and the bottom line after 100+ answers was always that tastes differ widely. Some people want tears, others want no tears, others don’t care about tears one way or the other. I also find that most people do respect the models and care about their limits.

Again, you presume to speak for “the average spanking video consumers”. Generally, you seem to believe that you have a lot of insight into other people, what they want, what their motivations are, and so on. I believe that you are much worse at it than you think you are. You were certainly dead wrong about me…

Trollheart says:

@ Zille re Bill: Just a small point. Why not take up his challenge, and begin a new survey, based on whether people prefer to see real tears regardless of how they’re achieved, or if they want proper, genuine, non-forced and realistic reactions?

That would put this thing to bed once and for all, I think…

@ Bill: Your grasp on reality just gets looser and looser, doesn’t it? How totally ridiculous to compare spanking actresses with drama ones! The comparison does not stand up for so many reasons, chief among which I believe is that if Meryl Streep or Keira Knightley or whoever cries in a movie it is a) part of the plot and not spontaneous and b) not satisfying anyone’s sexual fantasies, at least that is not the intent. Would you similarly harangue and ostracise an actress (a real one) who refused to do nude work, or perhaps do a film that offended her religion or beliefs, because, by your specious reasoning, any actress should be prepared to do anything to enhance her role and be worthy of the name?

Spanking, and spanking on video in particular, IS an intensely personal experience, and any girl has the right not to include anything she is not comfortable with, and refuse to do it. Some girls hate having their legs slapped. I love to see this, but should then an actress be forced to have her legs slapped? Some would prefer not to indulge in sex on their videos. Should they then be made do this too? Where do you drsw the line?

Speak to any spanking actress and they will all agree that crying on camera is perhaps the most deeply personal thing they can do, and many many of them prefer to keep that part of them to themselves, private, you know? You think they should not be allowed to do that, or be censured because they don’t?

Grow up, for god’s sake! The world doesn’t exist for your pleasure alone. There are many things I would love to see in spanking videos, but I would not expect anyone to be forced or cajoled into doing them. Doens’t mean I won’t watch videos without these things in them. You can’t have everything you want, didn’t anyone ever tell you that?

And you’re seriously surprised/annoyed that people are attacking you?

Annapurna says:

Hi Zille,

Thank you for running this survey. Here are my responses:

“Who do you like to see get spanked?”

My preference is for young, attractive, and slender women who are physically fit.

“Who do you like to see do the spanking?”

My preference is for attractive, 30ish men or women who are in shape, who are firm in attitude, but not severe, and who have compassion for the spankee. For example, Firm Hand Productions (recent vintage) has some good male tops. Chelsea Pfeiffer is a good example of a female top.

“What intensity level(s) do you look for?”

I prefer a moderate spanking, and sometimes hard, but never severe. I do not like to see the spankee cut, bruised, or marked excessively. I do not like verbal or physical humiliation or degradation of any kind. I prefer the Top to be respectful toward the bottom at all times.

“What scenarios do you never get tired of, or just want to see more of?”

I prefer scenarios involving real-life spankos engaged in a spanking that has both tension and mutual attraction. The spanking can be the result of an imaginary infraction, a lost bet, a prelude to sex, or for no reason whatsoever. I’m not into DD relationships or punishment spankings. I abhor brutality.

“Does the setting/background matter to you? Do you care about authenticity?”

While I know production budgets are low for spanking DVDs, it would be unrealistic to expect exotic backdrops or elaborate scenes, costumes, lighting, and makeup. With this in mind, I prefer simple, uncluttered, and clean environments with good lightening. Since I’m not into age play per se and I don’t like severity, authenticity is most likely a moot point with me.

“What is the single most important thing to you to have in spanking porn?”

In addition to the forgoing, I would say genuine responses, good interaction between the spanker and spankee, and, if possible, chemistry. The rest will take care of itself.

Bill says:

Deniro turned down roles because he wasn’t interested in them at the time or didn’t think he was right for them. He didn’t take the role and then do a half assed job and he certainly didn’t turn them down because they were “too personal”. The guy even cried in “Analyze This”.

Ludwig, if your girlfriend likes to dabble in spanking videos that’s not my concern. There are plenty of hobbyists out there who are making spanking videos and enjoy entertaining whoever finds what they do acceptable. That’s not the same as making videos to entertain customers. Some people like to go to the ball game and have sex in the stands. They may appreciate the compliments and accolades and they may even take a request or two but they still aren’t doing it for the purpose of entertaining the crowd. For a long time these spanko’s could still make money because we were in the middle of a porn bubble but as you may have noticed a lot of them have been weeded out. And in my experience people involved in post-production and other behind the scenes endeavors are LESS likely to have any on screen talent so your description has no bearing on how great her videos are.

When I speak of hobbyists I’m talking about the models who view spanking the same way they would getting a tattoo. They get a kick out of taking the pain bravely and wear the marks with pride and somehow feel like that makes them a spanking model. Just don’t ask them to cry because they view that as humiliating and off limits. If I’m going to watch a poser take a spanking I’d much rather it be a newbie who isn’t so sure of herself.
Or the producers who get a woman over their knee and sit there molesting her ass after every swat despite the fact that neither the model nor the customers want to see that. These are all posers who just want customers to like what they’re already doing rather then doing what customers like.

This thread however is about what customers want so that the REAL producers of spanking videos can appeal to them.

BTW,
1. “You assume all customers want to see tears” No I don’t. Learn how to read. Most customers want to see tears but a lot of it stems from the fact that it’s usually evidence that the spankee is 100% committed to the role.

2. “You assume that only a spanking model willing to cry on camera is truly dedicated to her work.”
I think that’s just obvious. I’m not saying she HAS to cry but if she refuses as a general rule then she is just a hobbyist who may or may not be lucky enough to get a following. But it will probably be based on her look or some other mundane detail unrelated to talent.

I agree with Chris in everything he said. In fact I’ve begun to notice that the farther removed from the mainstream industry a spankee is the more likely she is to be good. And the less glamorous looking she is the more likely she is to let go and act natural.
Unfortunately you have to get the combination of a girl like that and a director and domme who won’t screw it up and that can be rare.

Annapurna says:

While “I don’t know much about anything,” a famous Forest Gump line, seems to be an apt thing to say right now, for I really have no clue as to why or how this discussion has wandered so far afield. Does it really matter?

I, myself, don’t mind tangential discussions, major digressions, or even segues to other topics, but saying Bill is “autistic” does have some comic relief even though the assertion does seem to have very little to do with Zille’s original question, which was what?

Bill, I guess you have the knack for launching the proverbial thousand ships, my friend. Just look at the response you have managed to galvanize! And while I’m mixing my metaphors, you really do know how to whack the hornet’s nest, don’t you?

Well, Zille, maybe you can look at this way: controversy is good for business? Or maybe you can add to your DVD trailers a line that says, “No onion was destroyed to make this tearful, spanking scene.”

In the meantime, I’m going to grab another beer and wait to see what Bill is going to say next. My “Dallas does Debbie” spanking video will just have to wait.

Lucipher_T says:

There is a joke:

Q: How do you recognize a british spanker right before he enters your house?

A: If someone is knocking “Knock-Knock-Knock” it could be anyone. If someone is knocking “knock-knock-knock-knock-knock-knock-knock-knock-KNOCK” … it is a british spanker who acted in some british caning movies…

So we all know (or should know) that teasing a submissive a little bit with your cane or crop before handing out the real stroke can be titillating. Okay.

But I am really tired of those “caning” movies in which a “disciplinarian” hands out fifty-five teasing taps with the cane and then…

Nothing. NOTHING. Nothing but a fifty-sixth “stroke” which has some 5 percent more force than the “teasing taps”. (If it is more forcefull at all…)

And the spankee screams and wriggles and flinches and howls…

Are you pulling my leg??

I am tired of those “We want to serve all customers’ desires movies”. First a little hand spanking over the girl’s jeans. Then a little strapping. Followed by some tawsing. And at least some (often just ridiculous” caning.

I am tired of “schoolgirls” dressed with garter belts and a hooker’s makeup that would lead to instant repulsion in reality.

I am tired of “prison scenes” where prisoners wear mini skirts and stockings and prison warders do mild hand spankings as a disciplinary punishment.

I am tired of dommes who are clasping the cane somewhere in its middle part – which might be just a matter of desparation because one should not use a wobbly 5′ cane in a 100 square feet room but definitely is no good idea for a precise and forceful usage.

Or in other words: I am tired of silly cliches, stupid storylines and ungifted spankers. Of faked or almost faked strappings and canings. Sometimes I really pity those poor girls. Most of them deserve something better.

So please…

You screenplay writers: give us simple, plain and *credible* stories. Stories must no be “realistic”. Not at all. But a spanking story have to be *credible in itself*.

I won’t argue whether it is “realistic” that a Sheriff somewhere in New Mexico hands out a spanking to a female traffic offender.

I am quite willing to imagine that there is such a power abusing bastard. Okay. So this asshole offeres Miss Speedy a good trashing instead of spending three nights in jail until the judge is back and then getting fined $500.

But a *credible* Sheriff Asshole rather do not have a locker full of bdsm playtoys in his office. He do not hand out first handspankings, then some strapping, some caning. I do not see a New Mexico Sheriff with a cane at all. Sheriff Asshole grabs for his belt or a razor strap (leftover from Bat Masterson perhaps) and beats the crap out of this arrogant snobbish lady who tries to tell him something about the law.

(Feel free to offer a “director’s cut” with an additional 5 minutes Sheriff Asshole fucking snobbish lady with his rubber truncheon after trashing her… But that’s not a must.)

You spankers and caners: please *learn* to spank. Learn to cane. Learn to whip.

You producers: please hire girls (or boys) that can take some good ones.

Bill says:

If anyone wants to try and prove me wrong about most spanking video consumers wanting to see tears then go right ahead. I dare you!

I’m sick of this PC crap that people feel the need to preach to all their customers.
There are some hard facts that many of you need to get over regarding the desires of spanking video consumers.

1. Most of us want to see tears!
2. Most of us don’t give a rats ass if the spankee is a “spanko” or if she’s this years starlet of the spanking world.

If you look at a spanking movie as though it’s a way to express yourself and your own desires then you may do ok but you ain’t going to be a millionaire. If on the other hand you’re looking to express your customers wishes you should be ok!
Right now I could name more then a few site owners who displayed the same attitude some of you are showing in this thread and now have defunct websites. This is the difference between what your talking about and what I’m talking about! This thread is supposed to be about what REAL producers can do to appeal to those who buy movies!
Ludwig, I’m sure you have a day job that pays the bills and has nothing to do with spanking so your opinion is pretty much irrelevant. When 100% of your income comes from producing spanking movies and you’re successful at it then I’ll listen to you!
My girlfriend has been asked several times to appear in spanking movies and declined. She’s not an exhibitionist and not an actress so she doesn’t see the point. I can respect that!
I’m only stating what I’m fairly certain most customers want to see from a spanking video and I’m afraid the opinions of TWO hobbyists don’t really change anything. What you and your girlfriend do with each other is not my concern and if you get off on making videos with her then good luck to you. I’m sure you’ve made a little extra money off it but that’s not relevant in this discussion.
As I stated before, threads like these usually attract only industry insiders or people looking to kiss industry ass so rarely will you see a legitimate spectrum of customers desires.
Prove me wrong! Start a poll and post it on a forum where customers share videos rather then a forum mainly frequented by people who go to spanking functions and see what they say.
Ask them if they prefer tears and if they care at all how famous the model is or even if she’s a spanko at all!
I’ll take those odds any time!

Annapurna says:

@Bill,

Seeing tears in any spanking video is a major deterrent for me.

I am not associated in any way with the spanking movie-making industry, nor am I an active participant in the BDSM community.

Kaelah says:

@ Bill:
I don’t know which producers and models you know, but most producers and models don’t make their whole income by making spanking porn. Some models might make all their money in the spanking industry (films plus one-on-one sessions plus a blog with affiliate links plus for example books or whatever), but not with films. There might be a few exceptions from that rule, but your girl next door who works a few times for some producer surely isn’t.

Of course there are some producers who make really a lot of money and whose clips are highly famous among pure film enthusiasts! One of them is/was of course Mood Pictures, then we have Lupus Pictures and today also Russian Slaves. What do they do? They hire stunningly beautiful young girls and produce films with a basic storyline (or a complex one in case of Lupus), but most importantly with very severe thrashings. I fully support their business model and I admire their models because many of them are real business women. You said that this thread doesn’t represent the average spanking film enthusiast. I agree with you! Since people who are into severe stuff are usually called “sick” in threads like this and since many of these people don’t read threads like this one at all, just very few of them spoke up here. But they are a really big group of viewers as you can see on pure video forums. Maybe the ones who want to see a girl next door take ten swats and then start to cry are a big group as well (I think the group is smaller than the other group), but there are surely even more groups than those two and they all have different tastes. Maybe you are only visiting certain forums especially for the kinds of clips your are interested in?

Anyway, it seems to me from your comments that you somehow feel very neglected and unfairly treated by what you call “industry members”. And you are projecting the experiences you seem to have made earlier and somewhere else into this discussion. That’s why you attack everyone who has a different point of view personally and tell them why their opinion is less worth than yours. Annapurna has a different taste than you have. Do you think it is fair to call his taste invalid because it isn’t shared by the majority of film enthusiasts who pay the most for spanking porn? Are you more worth than others because you pay more? Ludwig and I have a different taste and we make fun clips that we offer FOR FREE, not on pay-sites, plus a few guest appearances on professional sites to create art which cost us money (travel expenses) instead of making it. We don’t force our clips on anyone, we don’t have any reason to do that. But again, there is a group of people who enjoy clips with creative, unusual storylines made by amateur enthusiasts. You say that we tell people what to watch and what to like and that we try to speak for the average video consumer but that is YOUR approach not ours. Instead of accepting that there are different people and that you don’t have any right to speak for others (believe me, the average male film enthusiast is old enough to speak up for himself and to get the stuff he wants), you assume that we are part of a “spanking porn industry conspiracy” against poor paying consumers like you. Aside from the fact that we don’t earn money in the “industry” and that Ludwig has been a consumer who bought a lot of stuff for many years, from a rational point of view that whole theory doesn’t make any sense either because the producers want to earn money, right? So, why shouldn’t they take their customers’ points of view seriously?

That’s why Ludwig quit the discussion and why I am going to do the same. This is not a rational discussion about different preferences and wishes, it’s simply a discussion about your assumptions and your hurt feelings which leads to disrespectful comments, not paying attention to what others really say and instead wild interpretations as soon as someone has a different taste or opinion. You hide behind unproven generalisations and vague formulations which in combination don’t make any sense (you are the average video consumer, you are the only one here who knows how the industry works, you know plenty of models and producers → why don’t they produce the stuff you like then, you should be more than satisfied?, but at the same time you are not part of this industry that treats you awfully and you don’t want to be an insider → how do you know then which producers make how much money and so on?). And discussions like that don’t lead anywhere. Instead I hope that more people are going to write about their personal preferences here, no matter what these preferences are and how common they are.

Mr Defeu says:

Kaelah and Ludwig: stop it, please!

Frankly, you seem to have hijacked Zille’s request and turned it into your rather political diatribe about How It Should Be and indeed The Way It Is. We (Zille and I) found that rather rude, but are generally loath to censor discussions. But now that stops; right here, right now.

Bill expressed his preferences. Perhaps he could have sounded more sympathetic, but frankly that’s none of your business (not anyones business) — nor indeed were his comments inconsistent with his preferences: as I understand it, he wants to see material where he can believe there is genuine suffering and to do that he finds it more convincing to NOT have some well-known performer as the “victim”.

He also stated that of course he didn’t actually want the performers doing anything against their will. But you two seem unwilling to accept the simple fact that the events depicted in content have very little to do with the reality of what happened on set. Producers (including Zille and I) create illusion, not document reality. It’s worth noting that a whole lot of video games enjoyed by millions of people involve the player doing things that they’d find horrifying in real life; only truly obsessed puritans suggest that a video game involving shooting strangers is equivalent to taking a gun out on the streets…

Redhead’s comment put it brilliantly. Bill’s suggestions may have been a bit “off-the-wall”, but so what? Until he starts producing his own material, it cannot matter a damn, and if or when he does, surely your only concern is whether or not you want to work with him. I’d guess not. Big deal.

(Actually, the whole “onion” thing has given me a plot idea: in order to convince her disciplinarian that she’s really contrite, Zille hides an onion before her scheduled punishment, and crushes it to induce tears. It all seems to have worked… but the mangled vegetable rolls into view just as she makes her escape, with predictable consequences. Poor Zille…)

As to everybody’s pronouncements about What Consumers Want, the whole point of Zille’s request was to learn more from her readers. Unfounded opinions that “more/fewer random other people like X or hate Y” are pointless — particularly when uttered by folks who seem unwilling to accept that their own orientation defines their experiences and therefore skews their data. Zille simply wanted to collect data, and once people started being judgmental, that made it impossible for people to feel free to leave their honest preferences and views in this thread.

No producer will please all the people all the time: we’re all different. So all the continuums (sex/no sex, no marks/bleeding wounds, total misery/orgasmic delight, stoic acceptance/wild struggles, no restraints/rigid bondage, etc) are perfectly valid.

Also, Bill, you’ve made your points. Time to let them rest, I think.

Zille and I both hope that anyone coming to this thread for the first time will feel free to add their wants/needs to the list. From this point forward, we will delete any comments made upon other peoples comments.

Regards,
Zille & Mr. Defeu.

Redhead says:

Thanks guys. I said, I’d try and come back with a couple of illustrative ideas.

1. Using existing art as a motivation: A while back a friend and I were browsing through some art books at some of the erotic pencil drawings with which Klimt illustrated Lukian’s Hetären Gespräche. http://yourartshop-noldenh.com/?p=9697 [If unbeknown to me you also read Zille’s blog we’ll have a big laugh about this!] When I mentioned that it puzzled me how someone could be masturbated with a feather – we were looking at Tadema’s In the Tepidarium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tepidarium_Lawrence_Alma-Tadema_(1836-1912).jpg) compared to Klimt’s drawings – she smiled and said she didn’t think I was right. OK long preamble. I’d like to take those paintings and sketches along with say Tomi Ungerer’s, Egon Schiele’s, Aubrey Beardsley and J.W. Waterhouse’s, to which Adele and I were lasciviously competing to add algolagnic contexts, and using say the back-drops of monumental funerary or other statues enact scenes of endurance and ecstasy, with maybe a relaxing masturbating voyeur (-euse).

2. Outside and combined scenarios: On Sundays there’s a Muni bus line #76 that goes over to the Marin Headlands. Down from Fort Barry on Rodeo Cove beach we spotted some whip-like seaweed, very flexible, rather like our singletails. There are plenty of old army huts and deserted foundations which would provide sufficient seclusion. Your figging scenario is included naturally before the long bus ride. The actress in which the ginger was inserted would wear a classic Chanel style black voile dress.

3. Other senses: In some of the hottest scenes I ever enjoyed, my friend dressed in a similar dress played Rammstein ”Du riechst so gut” (you smell wonderful). It was my cologne she liked. There’s a definite role for lines which allude to smell, Think tracing fingers over fresh welts while whispering gently in the victim’s ear, “You smell wonderful.”

I’ll have to credit both Nina Harley and Candida Royalle, because I cannot remember which of them it was who told me that for people to enjoy erotica you have to include as many potential audience viewpoints as possible. Sensuality, headspace, explicitness, class, believability etc. Hence what I said above. Your survey is an excellent idea, but to get a wider market’s view, I’d also like to see your questions put in say the LA or SF Weeklies

R

Pablo7 says:

Who do you like to see get spanked?
I’ve got wide tastes, so the young schoolgirl only is too restricting. For me the only turn off is chubby arse’d blokes What is really missing are proper multiple bottom spankings. I love to see several upturned bottoms all waiting to be seen to. Another scenario comprises ‘cocky’ young guys sporting massive erections in anticipation of their punishment.
Who do you like to see do the spanking?My favourite character is woman in a commanding role. I particularly enjoy women dressed a bit like men i.e sharp suit with pencil skirts and black stilettos, or senior rank in uniform.
What intensity level(s) do you look for? I’m not into Lupus type barbarity. In fact fantasy role pay does it for me often.
What scenarios do you never get tired of, or just want to see more of?
Schoolgirls and boys in and out of uniform. Yeah I know it’s predictable. Any other uniform scenarios too.
Does the setting/background matter to you? Do you care about authenticity? Yes, and some acting. I’ve seen too many where the atmosphere on set was clearly not sombre enough and it showed
What is the single most important thing to you to have in spanking porn

SNM says:

The one thing I look for the most is playfulness. My favorite scenarios are ones where the dom is very clearly enjoying him/herself, and plays headgames with the innocent sub. I also prefer it when things get sexual.

Anna says:

My preferences are
1. A man giving a woman a spanking. Woman on woman is next in line.
2. The scenarios I love to see the most are generally discipline scenes that seem real, not staged. So, husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend. Although I admit I love boss/secretary. I love to see her face and hear her tearful reaction. No face is a bit dull, no remorse is a lot dull. Bad acting distracts big time from the eroticism, so keep it simple.
3. Intensity level: keep it real. One example was a wife getting the paddle for speeding. He paddled her hard for a long time and she was asking for mercy toward the end a lot. But it wasn’t bloody, welty caning type stuff. That stuff never seems erotic to me. The paddling looked like a serious punishment that my own hubby might inflict when he’s showing no mercy.
4. what’s indispensable? the face and her remorseful reaction. Not over the top, but showing she’s embarrassed and sorry to be spanked. So, a sideways shot always works.

Ghosm says:

* Who do you like to see get spanked?

Women between 20 and 35. I like it when they would be considered by most to be attractive, but prefer someone with a more girl next door look–hot girl next door.

* Who do you like to see do the spanking?

It doesn’t matter.

* What intensity level(s) do you look for?

Generally, the harder the better, but I do have my limits. Mood was a bit to extreme for me. Although, as a sadist, I would enjoy the intensity of their work, I would feel guilty and never considered buying a video from them. Anything less than mood pictures is fine.

* What scenarios do you never get tired of, or just want to see more of?

I like variety. I DO get tired of the same old scene of pretending the girl is in high school and she has been bad and needs to be punished. I like how Dallas Spanks hard keeps the scenes interesting by both changing the infraction and sometimes even creates wacky story lines. For instance, he created an “I dream of Genie” scene. I just like the creativity.

* Does the setting/background matter to you? Do you care about authenticity?

No. The setting does not matter. Although, I am still waiting for a believable college professor punishing a student for being bad (maybe plagiarizing). Maybe she wants extra credit. E-mail me at ghosm36@yahoo.com if you know of one.

* What is the single most important thing to you to have in spanking porn?

Variety. The only thing that should be consistent is the spanking should almost always be kind of hard. The scenes, the models, the reactions should vary.

Johan says:

Hello Zille and thanks for asking!

I list your questions below and answer them subsequently.

1. Who do you like to see get spanked?
I am a male sub, so I would like to see a guy get spanked by a lady.

2. Who do you like to see do the spanking?
A beautiful but strict looking lady should do the spanking (see above). Preferably a female teacher, headmistress, headgirl, stephmother, female police officer, female prisonward or perhaps a nurse. At least some kind of female authorithy-figure.

3. What intensity level(s) do you look for?
Realistic sound spankings from average spankings given by a strict stepmother OTK up to judicial level. With the term “realistic” I mean that the buttocks should be red, stripy and welted and that the guy taking it should end up crying, shouting, begging of forgiveness and promise “never to do this again”, “please Miss, no more!” etc..

4. What scenarios do you never get tired of, or just want to see more of?
I never get tired of seeing a beautiful strict looking lady giving a birching to a guy.The trousers should be taken down to about midthighlevel and the shirt-tail tucked in neatly at waistlevel to leave the buttocks bare for the birch. That scenario I want to see more of! It´s however important that the birch is made of real birchtwigs from a real birchtree. Not the kinds of “birches” made up of a bundle of small canes bound together that you so often can see on the net. They are not authentical, not “the real thing”. So, it´s very important that the birch is bound from real natural birchtwigs from a real birch tree. Either a shorter spray birch suitable for OTK-action or a bit longer birch twigs tied together for more judicial style birchings, but still a spray birch.

5. Does the setting/background matter to you? Do you care about authenticity?
Yes, the setting/background is important: If the birching is adminsitrated OTK by a stepmother the setting should be a home setting, if given by a female teacher it should ofcourse be in a schoolenvironment, a birching given by a female policeofficer should be administrated in a policestation and so forth. And above all, as pointed out under question 4 above: the birching must be given with a bundle of real birchtwigs picked from a real birchtree, not a fake birch made up from a number of small canes!

6. What is the single most important thing to you to have in spanking porn?
If you have read my answers to the qustions above I guess you can guess my answer by now, that’s right! A beautiful but strict looking lady giving a sound birching with a “spraybirch” consisting of real birchtwigs tied together from a natural birchtree. The birching should be given to a guy.

Kim says:

Punishments by a (mature) woman in a tight (white) blouse and (black) skirt is what turns me on. I like it quite severe. Strokes that do not leave marks, turn me off. Punishment is not for fun – its supposed to hurt. The attire of the disciplinarian is important to me.

My favorite setting is a headmistress caning a ‘boy’ hard enough to almost make it bleed. School girls are also ok as long as the disciplinarian is a woman, her attire is right and the strokes are not for fun. Victorian style governesses using canes and tawses on ‘boys’ comes in a clear number two.

Third is F/m domestic discipline settings with wifes punishing their husbands. In that case the use of the hairbrush OTK turns me more on than caning and tawsing. Perhaps the former appears more realistic for domestic discipline to me, as a ‘normal’ household is more likely to have a hairbrush than a cane and a tawse. In my personal experience I find the brush nastier than the cane – our ‘normal’ household do not posses a tawse (yet).

Getting caned severely by my wife, in particular when she has dressed up in the right attire, however, beats (no pun intended) any film. The films only makes me crave it some more.

Elain Ajuariqui. says:

My main fantasies involve severe canings and birchings,40-50 strokes, in institutional settings.I like to see the models completely naked and getting there bottoms and thighs well marked up and the girls reacting naturally ie:crying,grimacing,resisting crying as long as possible etc.Because I like severe discipline I want the punishment to be deserved for some wrong doing.I also think that embarrassment is an important part of the film with the girl hating to reveal all,then having too by being secured with her legs apart or standing infront of a person with her hands behind her head and legs apart pushing her hips pushing forward with each stroke of the heavy cane.Also I like the punishments to be infront of witnesses such as victims,family or there peers.I like the above ideas put forward by Liz Donohue of combining the beatings with toe curling humiliations.But finding models to agree with having there heads shaved could be tricky.Mood films have had shaved models in the past,so perhaps asking a bald model to grow her hair back so that it can be shaved of in a CP movie could be the answer. I also agree with Liz about Lupus and wish they would go back to hard caning and humiliation as there are to few spanking film producers doing this and this is what they are brilliant at.

Mary says:

I was just going to say that I liked to see beautiful naked girls severely caned in institutional settings,but after reading the above few entries about humiliations,wow!Being a school teacher it would be impossible to act in a film myself,and because my partner is not into the scene the closest I get is watching cp dvds,a situation shared by most of us.For years I bought the usual British spanking films which involved 30 something school girls in a living room being spanked,then paddled,then strapped,then finally a pathetic caning-yawn.Then I discovered Lupus spanking and Rigid East and they blew me away with there severe canings of naked embarrassed girls and I have most of there film’s in my porn stash.But now they seem to have all but abandoned caning for rape and borderline paedophilia,yuk!no!As I have said I like severe caning of naked girls on there bottoms and thighs,and fannies if they are sticking out.Liz Donohue’s ideas of adding extreme humiliation to the canings have really hit the nail on the head with what is missing in spanking films.I want the humiliations so bad that you feel embarrassed watching them and have to watch them alone.How about a daughter who is found out to be a stripper by her parents, being caned infront of her family and friends,then forced to dance naked to some fast rap music and rub her pussy in time with the rapping.She soon becomes wet and aroused but hating it infront of her laughing and jeering family.Even better,on the patio so that the neighbours can see.Another idea is that a girl could be severely caned then taken out doors in foul or cold weather and made to sun-bathe in the nude covering herself in layer after layer of fake tan untill she is really orange infront of laughing neighbours and passers by.A farm girl who lets the cows out is stripped naked by the angry farmer and switched in a muddy gateway or pig sty and sent sprawling into the slime.She is then marched to the farm yard and hosed down infront of the laughing farm hands and severely caned.How about being topical.Two girl looters are brought to the detention house for punishment infront of the injured parties and press photographers.Both girls come from well off families so had no excuse.The first girl is an athlete.She is secured to a chair with her legs wide apart showing her pussy to all present including the press who have been told to show all in papers.Her mother is offered the opportunity to punish her.She accepts and proceeds to shave her daughters head.Soon she is bald and sobbing,her audience are laughing amid the flash of the cameras.She is then secured spread-eagled over a trestle looking at her own hair and given fifty severe strokes of the cane across her arse and thighs,She is crying loudly throughout her caning while the cameras flash.She is then released.The next girl is brought in and secured with her legs apart in the same chair as the previous girl.As before the girls Mother is offered the chance to do the first part of the punishment.Her mother leaves the room and reapers wearing overalls and carrying a bucket of tar paint and a bag of feathers (PLENTY OF BARRIER CREAM AND SWARFEGA FOR THIS SHOOT).The daughter cries out.”no,not that ,no no no,oh God no,this is to humiliating,no,nooo!!Standing behind her daughter to loud cheers she pours the sticky black goo over her daughters head completely covering her blonde hair.The tar is then brushed all over her daughters tits and front of her body.The mother is ordered to get plenty of it over her pussy and work it in.The daughter is crying out “No no its to humiliating,it won’t wash off,Mum no I will be a laughing stock.nooo!!”Then standing behind the daughter the mother empties the bag of itchy feathers laced with itching powder all over her.Cameras are clicking all the time amongst the laughter.Again the mother is ordered to work plenty of the laced feathers into the hugely embarrassed girls pussy.The room is full of laughter,cameras flash,and the girl writhing in itchy shame and crying out “Stop please its to embarrassing”The girl is then released and made to stand with her legs apart facing her hysterical spectators and her hands fixed behind her head.The girl is then given fifty strokes of the cane across her arse and thighs.She is ordered to quack after each stroke. Soon her quacks are merged with yells and crying.Each hefty stroke causes her to push her hips forward and her pussy out (RIGHT INTO THE CAMERA)showing us her tar and feathered fanny.Soon her thrashing is done and she can at last scratch herself,specially her itchy twat infront of the laughing room.Even the girls mother cant help laughing.Her humiliation is complete.The next scene is the following morning when the shaved girl wearing a stupid wig opens the newspaper and sees explicit pictures of herself under the heading,BAD HAIR DAY PUNISHMENT FOR LOCAL IDIOT and cries out in shame.Likewise the tarred girl who is red from scrubbing and scratching sees explicit pictures of herself being caned and tarred under the heading, LOCAL LAUGHING STOCK PUNISHED,cries”The shame,the shame,nooo!!!”Sorry,I got carried away with the humiliation.As the above entries,I too think forty to fifty strokes of the cane is about right,not over to soon,not to many but still test the very brave spanking models who believe me I am greatfull too.I like to see good punishment marks.Thank you Zille for the chance to get my ideas out.

Algimiro says:

(1)I like to see to see beautifull young girls 18yrs old-20s severely caned or birched on there bottoms and thighs including some on the front of the thighs.I don’t like piercings or tattoos and want the girls to appear embarrassed and ashamed.I want there characters to be wicked girls punished for crimes or wrong doings.(2)I like to see high intensity ,40 to 50 good hard strokes that leaves raised welts with lots of crying and shame.(3)The scenarios I never get tired of are institutional such as schools,judicial and parental.I like the punishments to be witnessed by school chums,victims,family members or even public nudity if possible.I would like to see the canings combined with realy embarrassing humiliations such as extreme gunging,head shaves,forced streaking etc.For part of the punishment I like the culprit to be naked just from the waist down so that all eyes are on her pussy.One idea could be a female criminal is punished outdoors infront of an audience.First she is secured spread eagled over a trestle and caned with 50 hard tearfull strokes.She is then secured with her legs apart on a wooden chair.Being naked from her waist down all eyes are on her pussy.Her head is then shaved.To make it even more interesting,just before her punishment her pussy could be covered in treacle,feathers and itching powder as suggested by others making her writhe in discomfort from the itching and caning during her head shave.When released she is stripped completely nude,but her hands are still secured behind her back.She can’t scratch her pussy so is rubbing her pussy against anything she can to stop the itching,Everyone is laughing at her.At last she is released and has to do a streak home.(4)The setting and authenticity does matter.I like outdoor settings and realistic settings such as propper school rooms.As for authenticity there is nothing worse than Anne Sommers type uniforms,eg,police uniforms in spanking films.(5)I like to see authority figures doing the punishments such as prison officers,head teachers etc.(6)There is no single important thing that I want from spanking porn,but I want to see severe canings/birchings with good punishment marks,humiliation and beautifull naked embarrassed girls.

dannymccarthy says:

thanks for the opportunity to comment happy to do so

if recieving a spanking i like to see the girl made to stand in front of the spanker first in her knickers hands on her head then having her knickers taken down to her knees before being ordered over the spankers lap after spanking she should be made stand in the corner hands on head again, with her punished bottom on display. for the cane or strap she sould be made to hand the spanker the implement and politely request the number of strokes she is going to get she will have been told this in advance, during punishment she will count each stroke and thank the spanker for it. after punishment she will again thank the spanker and return the implement, she will then stand in the corner and display her punished bottom.

i prefer to see punishments carried out by an older woman butam not adverse to men carrying out the punishment. Dress is important if in school uniform knee lenghth socks never stockings and regulation knickers which should be down to the knees for otk spankings but just far enough to reveal the bottom for canings they should be round the ankles for corner time.

just a couple of ideas of mine what do people think