Why domestic discipline?
In a comment on my last post, Karl wrote:
Interesting to read your take on the joys of obedience. But how does getting spanked factor into it? As in, how do you get spanked, or what do you get spanked for, if you’re always so obedient? I gather from your earlier posts that you do enjoy a good spanking now and again.
That last sentence is of course Karl exemplifying “understatement!” And Karl had perfect timing, because this was just what I was going to blog about.
To put it simply, spanking has no real place in the modified form of domestic disciple that my Master and I are currently discussing putting into place. For the very reason that Karl aptly points out; or to put it another way, “I loves me a good spankin’!”
A hand-spanking is in no way a deterrent for me. Even a hard walloping done without a warm up is more likely to make me come than make me regret my words or actions.
However, the paddle is another matter. Even with a warm-up (of which there would be none for a punishment!) I can barely stand the paddle. And if I’m just bent over and given some emphatic whacks, and that’s it (except perhaps to give my Master a blowjob to thank him for taking the time to discipline me!) then it’s not going to be something I enjoy very much, and I’m going to try and avoid that because I’d much rather we spend the time getting up to the kinky things I do enjoy.
For other corporal punishments, there’s always the dreaded “kneeling on rice,” which I’d really prefer never to have to suffer through again.
Also, there is of course non-spanking punishments like writing lines, or doing some other task that I don’t enjoy.
Trust me – there are plenty of ways of punishing me without putting me over the knee for a hand-spanking! That can be a reward for me when I’ve been good: “the carrot and the stick!”
Karl also brings up the point, “what do you get spanked for, if you’re always so obedient?” Well, the problem is that I’m always obedient on the “easy” stuff: I love to cook and clean for my Master, I love kneeling for him, I’m delighted to hold his cane when I masturbate, and it’s easy to deferential and considerate most of the time.
However, when life gets hard for me (for any reason, and any value of “hard”) I can become a really selfish, needy, and demanding creature.
Some of that is within reason, and my Master understands that and will make allowances.
But I tend to “wallow,” and that leads to continued selfishness, neediness, and expectations of things from him that I really don’t need to have.
I don’t want to act like that! But my mother and some of my exes were very manipulative and selfish people, and unfortunately I learned some bad habits as I was learning to deal with them. But I don’t need those behaviours any longer, as I am with a Master who is an amazingly caring and considerate man, who is constitutionally incapable of manipulation, and who is dedicated to looking after my needs.
When I get into a “funk,” and start acting badly, I bring us as close as we ever get to “fights.” In the four years we’ve been together, the few times we’ve ever had anything like the fights I was used to in previous relationships were caused by me acting like an idiot, because I’d gotten myself into a bad emotional place and refused to come out. A bit like a hurt animal that backed itself into a corner and will bite and scratch anyone who tries to help it; however, I am not an animal – I’m a thinking person, and I can, if I try, let go of my self-afflicted internal pain and act reasonably.
That’s where the discipline comes in. Because, as hard as I work at being a good person when I’m feeling good, or pretty good, the minute I perceiving things as getting hard, I just drop right into those bad behaviours. I need to be taught not to let old, bad habits take over. And I really need his help to learn how to do that.
Perhaps someone reading this may think, “Well, why not go to a therapist? That’s what most people do for those sorts of things!”
Well, for one, because I know lots of people who’ve gone to therapists and amount of help they’ve allowed themselves to receive is quite variable. And, secondly, my Master really needs someone whom he can discipline and teach and take care of in that way – and I truly need to be disciplined and taught and taken care of that way. I don’t know when that need started for him, but it’s been with me since my earliest memories. (I now have some theories for why, but that’s for another post.) Since he and I have managed to find someone in this wide world who is compatible with our own very unique needs, then it would be a damn shame not to enjoy that, and to help each other in our own uniquely compatible ways.
Karl – I hope that answered your excellent questions! And anyone reading my blog should always feel free to ask questions, too!
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How wonderful of you, Zille, to devote an entire post to replying to my questions. But I’m left wondering, is there no silver lining — do you really get no sexual frisson even afterwards — when your master bends you over for a sound paddling? Or is just that the pain of the paddling is more of a deterrent than the sexual overtone is a reward?
Zille, I take your point, given your reciprocal needs, perfect service on your part would leave you both unfulfilled.
Mel was a masochist, the more pain she received the more she wanted, this left me in a quandary, our D D had a punishment element, only Mel enjoyed and got off on her punishments.
An eighteen year old doesn’t enjoy static punishment, so after a moderate amount of C P, she was given lines, essays, kneeling naked in the corner and hard physical training, after a few years Mel decided to stick to our agreed rules.
We satisfied our mutual need in a more light hearted way, plentiful scenes and Mel received many playful spanking.
Over years Mel’s service reached levels I’d never dreamt of, we were not M/s purely because it never occurred to us and Mel died before th web became widely known.
Love and warm hugs,
Paul.
Hey Karl!
When you ask good questions like that, you leave me no choice but to respond to you with an entire post: nothing less would have done your questions and my answers justice!
Again, you hit the nail on the head. The fact of the matter is that I fantasize about being disciplined and punished, and my Master gets a much harder erection during real punishment than during playtime.
But when reality hits in the form of a hard paddle blow, no, I’m not enjoying it in that moment, even as a masochist! There’s something about paddles that keeps me from getting off on them, even as I do from a cane or tawse.
So before the punishment I might be turned on, but during it I’ll just be gritting my teeth and trying to comport myself with as much dignity as possible (which won’t be much!)
Afterwards … right afterwards, I might just be overwhelmed with the release of tension and guilt from whatever I did wrong. If I am aroused, well, what better way to end the punishment than for my Master to order me to attend to his needs, and then leave me hot and bothered to think about why I do not want to screw up that way in future….
Later that day, or the next day, the memory of the punishment will be as hot as anticipating it was, for me. But that’s why I’m a pervert, and that’s why I’m interested in all of this stuff in the first place. It’s only been in the past few months that I’ve come to accept that about myself and learn to see that it’s not a problem — at worse it’s something we have to work around (my masochism) but at best, it’s the thing that first drew my Master and me together, and why we are so right for each other. We are just amazingly lucky that we get to have our cake and eat it, too!
Paul –
I love every time you write about Mel! Your love for her overflows from your words! Your comments to my posts make my blog a better one — I cannot thank you enough!
I don’t think you and Mel missed out on much by not being Master and slave. In the end, they are just words, and it sounds like you two had something that transcended mere language.
Did anyone ever tell you you’re a wonderfully responsive blogger, Zille?
I’ve been meaning to ask you if you ever saw the fabulous but short-lived “Dominate my wife” blog from Mike and Stephanie in Australia? Sadly it’s no longer up, but I did keep a copy of much of the content, which I’d be happy to share with you if you haven’t seen it already.
Thank you, Karl!
I’m as responsive as I can be, so I’m sometimes better and sometimes worse at it!
But if one puts up a blog, its basically saying one wants to share something with the world … so I think it behooves one to respond to the people who take the time to read what you wanted to share, and have taken the time to write to you about it!
I don’t think I ever saw the “Dominate my wife” blog. Feel free to share any favorite bits by sending them to zilledefeu at gmail dot com.